I haven't followed the KKD matter much and don't really know the details (didn't even know who the guy was and thinking rape items are tabloid news) but Pryce's article makes me re-visit some of the issues surrounding rape in ... read full comment
I haven't followed the KKD matter much and don't really know the details (didn't even know who the guy was and thinking rape items are tabloid news) but Pryce's article makes me re-visit some of the issues surrounding rape in Ghana and Africa.
What we in Africa regard as rape is different from what rape is in these societies we have come to. Or, better expressed, we in Africa do so many things to our girls which they just swallow which would be regarded as rape here. This is one of the things I realised very early when I came to Europe. It forced me to reconsider some of my own escapades back in the village in Ghana. I was just lucky that with some of them, I was not living in Europe. Phew!
I came here to know that there can be rape even in a marital situation! Statutory rape, that is.
There are many aspects to this. When a girl says No, it means different things some of which can be culturally determined. In Ghana/Africa, the first response of a girl is for her to say no (which can be changed later). But every decent man knows when a girl's No is a NO writ large and when it is just that coquettish show girls put up that makes you even hotter. But, often, you may not know where to draw the line.
Pryce concentrated on celebrity exploitation of girls and this is not unique to Ghana. In all societies, girls feel attracted to famous and powerful men in a way boys don't behave. It's only girls who will cry at pop concerts or weep just at the sight of the Beatles (60s) or One Direction (today).
And if you are one of those celebrity guys, you can easily get the girls to do whatever you want to. And many have. Did Wikileak's Assange rape the Swedish girls? Did Dave Lee Travis (DLT) really have all those trysts with the young girls as consensual sex? Did Bill Cosby use his celebrity position to get some sated from some kinky activities with young girls? And did KKD use his "local" celebrity status on some innocent and unsuspecting Fante girl? Or were the girls boozed by admiration and/or alcohol and regretted only after the event? Your guess is as good as mine.
Whatever the answers are, we men must be careful with these dames - especially the ones we only want a one nighter (or quickie) with. It may turn out sour at the end.
Now, let me not take away the topic from Daniel
ADJOA WANGARA 9 years ago
What have you hypocrite Ewe fool Pryce so far written about the Ewes who sleep with their own daughters?
Why do you have to run you dirty mouth about an Akan who turned around with his own girl friend?
Who brought the ... read full comment
What have you hypocrite Ewe fool Pryce so far written about the Ewes who sleep with their own daughters?
Why do you have to run you dirty mouth about an Akan who turned around with his own girl friend?
Who brought the girl to the Hotel, Pryce? Your Mother? Fuck off! with you Ewe tribal nonsense!!!
Jimmy 9 years ago
Who is this empty heard trying hard to be heard ? Daft duck, serious issues are being discussed here. Go somewhere and piss your tribal diatribes.
Who is this empty heard trying hard to be heard ? Daft duck, serious issues are being discussed here. Go somewhere and piss your tribal diatribes.
Okponglo Guy 9 years ago
What has his tribe got to do with this? Pryce is one of the most balanced gentlemen in this forum
What has his tribe got to do with this? Pryce is one of the most balanced gentlemen in this forum
Au contraire 9 years ago
foolish , illiterate adjoa wangara!
Onye sormi ! you deserve to be stoned alive for painting with a broad brush everyone that comes from a single tribe.
The hard truth is your four fingerd point at your hypocritical self an ... read full comment
foolish , illiterate adjoa wangara!
Onye sormi ! you deserve to be stoned alive for painting with a broad brush everyone that comes from a single tribe.
The hard truth is your four fingerd point at your hypocritical self and your cohorts who play like they have some high moral standing but are actually the true morally depraved ones in soceity...I would not entrust my beautiful Ewe daughter to any Horny Akan Beast especially ugly pigmie monkey types fro Ashanti ansd aaaaaayem areas ,Ghanians are funny ..most are hypocrites , bible toting , church going , pastor types mostly akans who are fake and the greatest of devils, we know your type , they come out in full force to defend pedophiles and rapist and turn around and cry about some virtually extinct trokosi practice in some coastal towns in the volta region , not even the whole volta region. SMH
Asem 9 years ago
@ Abu contraire, you are doing exactly what Ajoa Wangara did and even worse in your case bcos neither KKD or Ajoa Wangara is an Asante so why are you insulting Asantes? It is not only Ewes who comes from Volta Region there ... read full comment
@ Abu contraire, you are doing exactly what Ajoa Wangara did and even worse in your case bcos neither KKD or Ajoa Wangara is an Asante so why are you insulting Asantes? It is not only Ewes who comes from Volta Region there are other tribes there who are not Ewes. You hate Asantes bcos you are afraid of us. Your tribe is evil. You still practice a lot of outmoded traditions and cultures. It is a every uncivilised tribe. I live in my region so I want you and all empty headed fools like to go back to Volta Region after that armed robbery and human killings for rituals will reduce. An Asante who will want to be with daughter may have lost his mind. Part of your culture is to sleep with daughters. Firthy Ewe insulting Asante! Who born dog?
C.Y. ANDY-K 9 years ago
First, it is wrong for Au Contraire to extend his counter-insult of that jerk to Asantes in general even IF the jerk is proven to be an Asante. I have always cautioned Ewes in particular who respond to the insults hurled at E ... read full comment
First, it is wrong for Au Contraire to extend his counter-insult of that jerk to Asantes in general even IF the jerk is proven to be an Asante. I have always cautioned Ewes in particular who respond to the insults hurled at Ewes on Ghanaweb and elsewhere by targeting Asantes as the culprits and start insulting Asantes wholesale. If those Ewes are NDc supporters, they should be aware that many Asantes support the NDC just as strongly as they do and they don't share the animosities some NPP members direct at Ewes. Some of the most notorious tribal bigots around are not even Asantes by description today, even if they were once under the control of the Asante Kingdom in the past.
And to you Asem, you acted exactly as Au Contraire, showing that you don't know any better. In fact, you came out worse, as a veritable, ignorant bigoted idiot!
I am an Ewe and an Anlo for that matter. I don't know of any Anlo who traditionally hated Asantes, nor is afraid of the Asantes. The modern tribal schism between Asantes and Ewes date back just to the post 1966 coup, thanks mainly to Busia and his PP, a Bono, btw.
Btw, Ewes are not members of a tribe but an ethnicity with many cross-cultural practices from the various ethnic groups they come from which are even diametrically opposed to each other. Even main traditional foods eaten differ regionally.
Andy-K
jacky 9 years ago
good piece
good piece
Asem 9 years ago
Mr Price, thanks for my article, as a criminologist I hope you could throw light on a few issues that bothers me. Since this case popped it's ugly head up, we have heard a lot about how older men are forcing themselves on ... read full comment
Mr Price, thanks for my article, as a criminologist I hope you could throw light on a few issues that bothers me. Since this case popped it's ugly head up, we have heard a lot about how older men are forcing themselves on younger women. Where do we strike the balance and make these younger women willing partners in most circumstances? We have seen some of these girls driving powerful cars, owning mansions etc at such age, so you are telling me it's only a problem when something goes wrong. How on earth can someone as useless as Ms Victoria Hammah become a minister in govt if not for someone powerful she plays with? It's rumoured she even got on the fone to the President of the land when she has issues with police over a sex position with her boyfriend. What I'm trying to say is that some of these girls prefer these older men. The lady knew very well she was been invited by KKD someone twice her age and she has every right to say NO thanks I don't do oldmen wearing suits everyday but going nowhere.
Melvin 9 years ago
what I find disturbing is you claim Mr Darkwah epitomizes the typical Ghanaian man. You are so wrong on different levels. The ideal hard working Ghanaian man is married and these girls see them as a meal ticket out of their m ... read full comment
what I find disturbing is you claim Mr Darkwah epitomizes the typical Ghanaian man. You are so wrong on different levels. The ideal hard working Ghanaian man is married and these girls see them as a meal ticket out of their misery. Mothers are seen pushing their daughters into this but you will never hear that side of the story. These married hard working Ghanaian men support these girls with their school fees, buy them cars, feed their families and their mind they feel they own. It is so wrong on different levels but is just the way it is.It all starts from home, if these girls are taught to work for their own money and not prey on the hard working married or unmarried man we wouldn't be having this issues.What happened to just falling in love with a unmarried with a bus pass ?These girls are old enough to tell a married man from unmarried man and also a rich married to a poor unmarried and they definitely know the married man they are messing with has a family but they don't show no remorse because they come with the intent to destroy and at times share the man with his lawfully married wife.Charity definitely begins at home and lets call a spade a spade and lets not pass judgment by empowering women by bashing men.
Au contraire 9 years ago
bush ghana man comes to yankee , meets beautiful yankee girl, he has no "macK" skills and expects that oonce he is in a one on one situation with her this means consent....wrong!
hope you guys have heard of ERIC FRIMPONG's c ... read full comment
bush ghana man comes to yankee , meets beautiful yankee girl, he has no "macK" skills and expects that oonce he is in a one on one situation with her this means consent....wrong!
hope you guys have heard of ERIC FRIMPONG's case in California!
Asem 9 years ago
Au contrare you think living in America makes you civilised and a better than everyone else. There only one thing you managed to expose here, your stupidity and ignorance. Civilised people don't talk trash like you. Thank G ... read full comment
Au contrare you think living in America makes you civilised and a better than everyone else. There only one thing you managed to expose here, your stupidity and ignorance. Civilised people don't talk trash like you. Thank God I don't have to travel to go and hassle in America before I feel I am something. Au contraire stay there, we are better off without you, Ghana has enough idiots we don't need more.
Paul 9 years ago
It boils down to discipline, respect, responsibility and morality all combined into one. Whatever the merits (or de-merits) of this case, KKD (and other men like him who seem to get away with it) must surely have diminished h ... read full comment
It boils down to discipline, respect, responsibility and morality all combined into one. Whatever the merits (or de-merits) of this case, KKD (and other men like him who seem to get away with it) must surely have diminished his standing in society below zero, certainly for me.
DR. SAS, ATTORNEY AT LAW 9 years ago
My dear Dr. Pryce, as usual, your essay is a delightful read. However, it does not offer any basis for your moral or legal conclusion about Ghanaian men. What is worse, it propounds a very flawed logical premise hitherto unkn ... read full comment
My dear Dr. Pryce, as usual, your essay is a delightful read. However, it does not offer any basis for your moral or legal conclusion about Ghanaian men. What is worse, it propounds a very flawed logical premise hitherto unknown about your fine articles.......
And my preamble has been scathing because your essay is a personal affront to my very birth: My father married my mother when he was forty-nine, and my mother nineteen. They were successfully married for some thirty-five odd years, and had six children, I being the very last on both sides...
There is nothing wrong at all about any age disparity between a man and his consort provided the society has not prohibited such by law. And as far as KKD and the lady are concerned, there is no law prohibiting the relationship. So the question of the legality of their sexual relationship is moot if only consensual.
Then again, after closely examining the facts and the evidence, it is my firm prediction that no rape occurred, and that the sexual act was consensual. Without bothering about any nitty-gritties, my confident prediction is that KKD will go scot free.
That is why I am surprised that you have taken such a bogus case to cast a slur on Ghanaian men most of whom are very decent and hard-working like yourself. Your position is too judgmental and condemnatory to pass the needle eye of sound logic.
C.Y. ANDY-K 9 years ago
Dr SAS,
I have been following this "sordid" case from the sideline with no intention to comment but I am breaking that resolve now. I find myself siding with your views.
I also think Dan has been over presumptuous with ... read full comment
Dr SAS,
I have been following this "sordid" case from the sideline with no intention to comment but I am breaking that resolve now. I find myself siding with your views.
I also think Dan has been over presumptuous with some of his claims. That correlation about our lack of progress being a reflection of how we treat our women had me wriggling in despair! Not read anything outlandish as that since De Souza claimed dwarves were responsible for the falling cedi!
Age difference? Picasso was about 89 when he married that 19 old floozie. In our Ghanaian society, there is not even any moral injunction against that! It used to be the norm for even grandpa's to take new brides young enough to be their grand-daughters!
I think Dan has also missed the report that it was NOT Ewuraffe herself who reported the case; rather a male acquaintance. Clearly, the not too "naive" girl got carried away, couldn't stop what she willingly started, confessed to a friend (probably a peeved boyfriend) who reported the case to the Police.
The qs is, did Ewuraffe at any point ask KKD to stop when she realised the man was trying to go beyond more than kissing and groping? That's where the Iowa Rule applies - you must ask the lady permission all the way thru, at every stage of the courtship leading to sex. Can I kiss you? Yes! Can I put my hands on your bums? Yes! Can I put my hands in your panties? Yes! Can I explore your Mount Venus? Yes! Can I stick a finger into hmmm! aaah! your oohh! pussy? Oooh! Yes! Then, only then can you!
KDD is obviously a fast worker with a chimpanzee's libido and some of us seem like turgid, strait-laced old flops in comparison. He obviously seemed to be living a double life if what we have read so far, including the posting from his FB in another article, have any credence. Nemesis has caught up with him in a bad way.
One bearded meat too gory to eat! But if his lawyers are good enuf, he might walk free, with his reputation damaged beyond repair. But that's Ghana for you!
Andy-K
francis kwarteng 9 years ago
Dear Brothers,
Good day.
I think I have to go along with Andy and Dr. SAS on this one, at least based on the circumstantial outlook of the case. Others have also raised additional interesting issues with Dan's argument. ... read full comment
Dear Brothers,
Good day.
I think I have to go along with Andy and Dr. SAS on this one, at least based on the circumstantial outlook of the case. Others have also raised additional interesting issues with Dan's argument.
On the other hand, I have never heard anyone raise the issue of older African women (suger mammies) sexually abusing young, possibly underaged, males! This is also a "problem" in our society, if we are willing to contemptuously cite older mmales for that matter!
That said, I think I have to add Hugh Hefner, founder of Playboy, and his trysts with the Bentley Twins, for instance, etc., to Andy's example. Poverty, fame, opportunism, power, gender issues, religion, greed, culture, stautory requirements, corruption, social decay, etc., all have to do with it.
Having said that, Bill Cosby case is another is merely a sympton of a larger case (though he has not been charged). And we cannot say Bill is not guilty because he has not been charged. Let us leave it at that!
On the other hand, there are so many American males in prision for statutory rape across the country. Older American women who sexually abuse underage teenagers is another matter. This is one has not been thouroughly discussed. The cases of Pamela A. Smart and Mary K. Letourneau are still fresh in my mind!
Regrettably many of these (American) cases to do even end up in court, let alone send perpetrators to prison. Finally, I myself have known of cases in Ghana where parents have given away their teen daughters' hand marriage to men 30 or 40 years their senior because of the men's wealth and because of their families' crushing poverty.
Let me just keep my mouth shut as the case unfolds. I am willing to admit that we still don't have all the facts and making generalizations as it pertains to the specifics of the case might be prejudgmental on anyone's part as Dr. SAS implied in one of his statements.
Have a great weekend!
ADJOA WANGARA 9 years ago
Apart from the fact that Francis Kwarteng has written tales of nonsense without effectively contributing anything from his own opinion see the numerous common mistakes Kwarteng made:
1) "Suger" mammies --> Sugar
2) "mmales" ... read full comment
Apart from the fact that Francis Kwarteng has written tales of nonsense without effectively contributing anything from his own opinion see the numerous common mistakes Kwarteng made:
1) "Suger" mammies --> Sugar
2) "mmales" --> males
3) "stautory" --> statutory
4) "sympton" --> symptom
5) "prision" --> prison
6) "thouroughly --> thoroughly
Yes! that is all from the braggart so-claimed English teacher in USA Francis Kwarteng, who even sometimes use to correct the academic work of some Ghanaian professors in USA.
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Author: francis kwarteng
Date: 2015-01-03 19:06:06
Comment to:I CONCUR
Dear Brothers,
Good day.
I think I have to go along with Andy and Dr. SAS on this one, at least based on the circumstantial outlook of the case. Others have also raised additional interesting issues with Dan's argument.
On the other hand, I have never heard anyone raise the issue of older African women (suger mammies) sexually abusing young, possibly underaged, males! This is also a "problem" in our society, if we are willing to contemptuously cite older mmales for that matter!
That said, I think I have to add Hugh Hefner, founder of Playboy, and his trysts with the Bentley Twins, for instance, etc., to Andy's example. Poverty, fame, opportunism, power, gender issues, religion, greed, culture, stautory requirements, corruption, social decay, etc., all have to do with it.
Having said that, Bill Cosby case is another is merely a sympton of a larger case (though he has not been charged). And we cannot say Bill is not guilty because he has not been charged. Let us leave it at that!
On the other hand, there are so many American males in prision for statutory rape across the country. Older American women who sexually abuse underage teenagers is another matter. This is one has not been thouroughly discussed. The cases of Pamela A. Smart and Mary K. Letourneau are still fresh in my mind!
Regrettably many of these (American) cases to do even end up in court, let alone send perpetrators to prison. Finally, I myself have known of cases in Ghana where parents have given away their teen daughters' hand marriage to men 30 or 40 years their senior because of the men's wealth and because of their families' crushing poverty.
Let me just keep my mouth shut as the case unfolds. I am willing to admit that we still don't have all the facts and making generalizations as it pertains to the specifics of the case might be prejudgmental on anyone's part as Dr. SAS implied in one of his statements.
Have a great weekend!
C.Y. ANDY-K 9 years ago
Useless time waster! Just bugger off!
I read through his rejoinder without noticing a single one of those typos! Who has got time to read thru and correct typos off-the-cuff rejoinders in a social media like Ghanaweb?
H ... read full comment
Useless time waster! Just bugger off!
I read through his rejoinder without noticing a single one of those typos! Who has got time to read thru and correct typos off-the-cuff rejoinders in a social media like Ghanaweb?
Happy with the little attention I've given u?
Andy-K
francis kwarteng 9 years ago
Dear folks,
Read this from Woody Allen, the famous director, musician, playwright, writer, and American:
"In 1991, when the relationship began, Allen was 56 and Previn around 19. Asked whether their age difference was c ... read full comment
Dear folks,
Read this from Woody Allen, the famous director, musician, playwright, writer, and American:
"In 1991, when the relationship began, Allen was 56 and Previn around 19. Asked whether their age difference was conducive to "a healthy, equal relationship", Allen said equality is not necessarily a requirement in a relationship and "The heart wants what it wants. There's no logic to those things. You meet someone and you fall in love, and that's that."[120] The couple married in 1997."
Do we recall the marriage between Ann Nicole Smith (26) and James H. Marshall (89), a difference of 63?
This is just by the way!
Teacher 9 years ago
You guys are quoting examples from history to prove what? That it is ok for an elderly man to consort with a person who can be his daughter? Pryce is right that it is morally wrong for a man to do that. Pryce never said it wa ... read full comment
You guys are quoting examples from history to prove what? That it is ok for an elderly man to consort with a person who can be his daughter? Pryce is right that it is morally wrong for a man to do that. Pryce never said it was legally wrong or that our society frowns on it. This is a moral issue and Pryce's take on it is right. When it comes to the moral issue, it is the man's conscience that must guide him - not any legal restrictions or the dictates of the mores of the society.
The fact that an 89 year old man can marry a 25 year old woman does not mean it is right!
The KKD issue is even clearer. He is 49. The girl is 19 and a makeup girl sent in to trim him up for the cameras. KKD exploited a power situation to have sex with the girl. Whether the girl agreed or not and accepted to turn the other leg (they said KKD "took her" from two different positions) is besides the point Pryce is making. It is clearly and purely a moral issue for which KKD can be condemned in advance. Indeed, even if the girl actively sought out KKD and gave herself to her and KKD took it on a silver platter, he can still be condemned for a moral failure - succumbing to a weakness of the body.
I submit that if the lady were within KKD's age group (like 35 or 40) the moral failure will be adjudged as less and perhaps be limited only to his committing adultery which may be a sin against religion but nothing for the courts.
Any man who marries or consorts with a woman far younger than he is is simply exploiting the woman. The far less frequent reverse case of an older woman with a younger man (Mrs Robinson) is also subject to the same condemnation - for exploitation.
Let young boys and girls consort with each other, make their mistakes and learn from them. Old people should not be seeking to fuck up the lives of younger persons after they have finished fucking up their own lives.
Kosoko 9 years ago
Teacher,
Thank you for the clarity here. People like DR SAS, sometimes argue for the sake of argument simply because the they are informed about some silly legal precedents. The truth, a man who is not rapist under no ci ... read full comment
Teacher,
Thank you for the clarity here. People like DR SAS, sometimes argue for the sake of argument simply because the they are informed about some silly legal precedents. The truth, a man who is not rapist under no circumstance takes advantage of a woman. People like SAS seems to have no idea or are simply ignoring the vulnerability and how even a female psychy works. Again, they are ignoring the crude attitude of most Ghanaian men towards our women. In Ghana, men go as far as telling even a married woman that: even if you have a husband I can be a caretaker couch. Men could begin conversation with even a women they have not meet in person with phrases like, who takes care of your vagina in the absence of your husband, eh you married? You didn't give me some of that vagina etc. The truth is, these are all normal in Ghana not to mention men forcing women to bed simply because the women went to their bedrooms but these expressions and attitudes are all clearly sexual assaults. I mean take KKD's case, why would a decent man who want to protect women would want to have sex with a 19 year old lady in a toilet? Proponents should give us a break! Legally, she is of age but the truth is she is mentally a child to a 52-year famous rich man old man who wish to sleep with her in a toilet. Take it this way, I can assure with certainty that KKD would not ponder of having sex with a grown up and power woman on a public toilet in a hotel. At best, I therefore think, Mr. Pryce is drawing very important attention to our sexual attitudes to our women and we must support him in this crusade.
Omane 9 years ago
Our customary laws were robust and set within our own moral values,until they changed everything to suit the white man"s alien legal system.In my AKAN part of the world,Mr Sarfo"s father was right to marry his 19 year old bri ... read full comment
Our customary laws were robust and set within our own moral values,until they changed everything to suit the white man"s alien legal system.In my AKAN part of the world,Mr Sarfo"s father was right to marry his 19 year old bride.MMONAA...RAPE...was morally frowned upon and dealt with.My 18 year old daughter can marry a 50 year old with my blessing any time.Money will not be my reason, as long as they are happy.
Teacher 9 years ago
Omane, our customary laws do not frown on your 18 year old daughter marrying a 50 year old man whether the man is rich or not. Yes, we agree with your assessment.
But the question is, on a MORAL point of view, is it a gre ... read full comment
Omane, our customary laws do not frown on your 18 year old daughter marrying a 50 year old man whether the man is rich or not. Yes, we agree with your assessment.
But the question is, on a MORAL point of view, is it a great and wonderful thing for a 50 year old man to marry an 18 year old girl? Pryce is saying no and some of us also think no. The fact that our customary laws approve of it does not mean it is right in a moral sense.
I can start telling you why it is not right. The immediate reason is that the man will die long before the woman, given our normal human longevity. By the time the girl is 40, she is a widow. Even if she is not a widow she will still be at a sexually active age but cannot get satisfaction from her husband. The temptation to flirt (with someone in her age group) will be strong.
The ideal situation is for a man and a woman to be a few years within each other when they decide to marry. Anything else is less than ideal even if society does not disapprove.
The KKD case is even special. He is already "happily(?)" married and wanted a fling on the side. And he goes in for a young innocent girl who can be his daughter. He has not promised to marry her - just to have sex with her and leave her. I tell you, under such circumstances, our customs do not approve. KKD may not be guilty of rape but is certainly guilty of something else. Pryce is trying to look at that something else even if you may not agree with his particular argument.
Omane 9 years ago
I have always admired your comments.First,KKD is divorced.Second,are we going to legislate for an age limitation? You might find it morally repugnant but there is no society on earth which has banned that.Two adults can set t ... read full comment
I have always admired your comments.First,KKD is divorced.Second,are we going to legislate for an age limitation? You might find it morally repugnant but there is no society on earth which has banned that.Two adults can set their own morals.As I said my daughter can marry or date a man of 50.Her choice.You may disagree but I have no qualms with that.What next,institutionalized monogamy?
Dr. SAS, Attorney at Law 9 years ago
Thanks for asking a question which Teacher must now answer: By what "moral" yardstick is he seeking to judge the relationship between an older man and his younger consort?
I personally don't know anywhere in the world where ... read full comment
Thanks for asking a question which Teacher must now answer: By what "moral" yardstick is he seeking to judge the relationship between an older man and his younger consort?
I personally don't know anywhere in the world where any culture legislates against the disparity in the age of two adults who want to marry. So Teacher's moral standard might be lodged in a corner of his own brain to be occasionally accessed by him at his own convenience.
I also have an eighteen year old daughter and Dr. Pryce knows that I will readily give her in marriage to him or his son or grandson.
Teacher 9 years ago
We are all agreed that there are no laws against such age disparities in relationships. None of us is saying there should be a law against that. We are also agreed that society doesn't frown on such things. None of us is sayi ... read full comment
We are all agreed that there are no laws against such age disparities in relationships. None of us is saying there should be a law against that. We are also agreed that society doesn't frown on such things. None of us is saying society should begin to frown on them. So the argument is not about making laws or "institutionalizing" anything.
The argument, therefore, is what is moral and what is not. And that is a fluid one, I admit. What my point is may also be a fluid one which the moral imperative doesn't even capture adequately.
Let us not also forget that the age disparity thing is not even the main thrust of Pryce's article. If I understand him right, he is basically pointing to a certain situation in our society where the powerful exploit the less powerful. In the end, that is the thing some of us are arguing against. The age disparity thing is just a subset of this greater power relationship thing. Therein lies that thing I try to capture by resorting to the morality argument. There is a certain indecency in what KKD did that some of us are reacting to. This is a trend not only in our society, as I pointed out in my first input on this (more in the UK in the past few years about tv/radio personalities exploiting young persons).
We have been discussing the age disparity thing as a topic on its own. What strikes me is the argument that because it has been done and there are no laws against it so there is nothing wrong about it. Some of us think there is. As an old man, I can also enjoy a 19 young girl with "bobby stand" as long as she agrees. But I will still feel that I am not doing the most decent (most moral?) thing in the world. I cannot use the fact that I have done it or that my parents too did it (me too my father was old enough to father my mother when they met and has left her a widow for 25 years now) to say there is nothing wrong with it. If my 18 year old daughter wants to marry a 50 year old man, I will have no right to prevent her but I will caution her first about the age disparity. If she still insists, then I will bless her. But I will not pretend that it is the most natural thing in the world she can do. Call it moral if you want to...
Omane 9 years ago
Not too convincing but you have excelled yourself in being civil.Pryce was judgemental in his analysis.To humour you a bit...I have both male and female friends who brag about "cunnilingus and Fellatio" that makes me cringe m ... read full comment
Not too convincing but you have excelled yourself in being civil.Pryce was judgemental in his analysis.To humour you a bit...I have both male and female friends who brag about "cunnilingus and Fellatio" that makes me cringe morally...but they see nothing wrong with it.Don"t forget some young women also sleep with old men to get to the top..ha ha ha.Afenhyiapaooooo!
Mawuli 9 years ago
If the questions is morality, whose moral judgement are we apply to this issue?
It is culturally and morally abhorrent in most cultures besides that of some western countries to be a gay or lesbian. Equally most in the west ... read full comment
If the questions is morality, whose moral judgement are we apply to this issue?
It is culturally and morally abhorrent in most cultures besides that of some western countries to be a gay or lesbian. Equally most in the west find it morally wrong to marry some one with that age disparity and the practice of polygamy.
So, whose moral judgement are you applying to behavior morally right or wrong? That is why guilt or the innocence of an accused in not based on morality.
Teacher 9 years ago
If you start asking whose morality, you risk putting yourself in a situation where you can justify anything because it will coincide with someone's morality.
If you also say our society was this way but the white man came ... read full comment
If you start asking whose morality, you risk putting yourself in a situation where you can justify anything because it will coincide with someone's morality.
If you also say our society was this way but the white man came and forced us to change it that way, you risk arguing that our society would still have been the same if the white man had not interfered with our affairs. But all societies are dynamic.
Whether moral values are relative or not, some of us still think that there are certain things where deep inside us something will prick us and tell us that it's .... not hmmmm very decent or right... I think KKD's action is one such.
Mawuli 9 years ago
That is why in any argument dealing with morality,cultural,environmental, religious practices should be factored into it.
I am a strong proponent of cultural evolution in any society which does not want to go extinct.
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That is why in any argument dealing with morality,cultural,environmental, religious practices should be factored into it.
I am a strong proponent of cultural evolution in any society which does not want to go extinct.
However, those evolutionary changes should occur at the time, place of the society concerned choosing, and to suite them first and foremost and not just because some "so called" advance society said so even though such may be detrimental to them as society.
The reason why certain moral values are relative is due to your life experiences. It could be shaped by your christian faith, your cultural practices,your family values to name a few. My brother, these are very important considerations which should not be downplayed.
On a personal level of behavior,it is totally uncalled for. Personally, I think this guy is a hypocrite judging by what he is alleged to have been preaching all this years. He just took advantage of an unsophisticated young woman who naively thought she could ride on his coattail to something higher.
By the way, I enjoy debating a dynamic gentleman like you.
It is a joy
Gye Nyame 9 years ago
Just because your father at 49 married a 19 year old does not make it right. Seriously, what kind of conversation, activity or music etc., is common to couples with such an age gap? I believe any girl with self esteem and the ... read full comment
Just because your father at 49 married a 19 year old does not make it right. Seriously, what kind of conversation, activity or music etc., is common to couples with such an age gap? I believe any girl with self esteem and the potential to be self sufficient would not marry or hang out with a sugar daddy. I don't know if you have daughters, and if you do, I doubt if they would be interested in a man twice their age. It is the poverty, lack of education, self esteem, unemployment that makes a young woman sleep with a man twice her age and nothing else. Unfortunately all the ingredients named above are present in Ghana so the men especially those who have power and some wealth take advantage of these young women. I don't know if this young lady was raped or not but there is something not "right" about the whole picture.
Michael Kwame Ayi 9 years ago
That is why I am surprised that you have taken such a bogus case to cast a slur on Ghanaian men most of whom are very decent.....
Dr SAS, why must you be surprised? After all there is no law prohibiting him from drawing his ... read full comment
That is why I am surprised that you have taken such a bogus case to cast a slur on Ghanaian men most of whom are very decent.....
Dr SAS, why must you be surprised? After all there is no law prohibiting him from drawing his conclusions. If you truly held such stringent opinions of the law then you'd only read on. But your surprise betrays your bias. What if your Dad had had just a consensual affair with your mum and not married her. You could have been a bastard right? There's something called morality. It is that which could lead to the impeachment of a President if he were found culpable of a similar consensual misdemeanor. While not condemning personalities, I expect responsible Ghanaians to rise against plain immorality. Maybe KKD should be pardoned for his 'accidental' self digrace but maybe Ghanaian men like you who defend crass immorality with the law should be gagged.
Mawuli 9 years ago
Kwame! We never had the term bastard in the African culture until we adopted the western culture of one man one woman.
One who was born out of a culturally arraigned marriage before the down of Christianity was not called a ... read full comment
Kwame! We never had the term bastard in the African culture until we adopted the western culture of one man one woman.
One who was born out of a culturally arraigned marriage before the down of Christianity was not called a bastard or looked upon as an inferior person
beacon hope 9 years ago
nice piece.... one of the finest articles on the subject so far
nice piece.... one of the finest articles on the subject so far
Au contraire 9 years ago
I am sure majority of ghana women can attest to the huge lack of mack skills from a broad section of ghana men , not all.
This is a case not just of rape , but also lack of morals or ethics, indiscipline,
I am never foo ... read full comment
I am sure majority of ghana women can attest to the huge lack of mack skills from a broad section of ghana men , not all.
This is a case not just of rape , but also lack of morals or ethics, indiscipline,
I am never fooled by what people say or write on their face book posts like KKD , usually a smart person will read the contrary meaning to what is being purveyed ,
lots of ghana men on face book looking to get into women's pants writing all sweet stuff that will ingratiate them towards these horny evil men. Study the trend , sweet talking men on these social networks are the true wolves in sheep's clothing , ladies beware!
Francis Dery 9 years ago
Man, thanks for writing. I went into a drugstore to buy sanitary pads for my daughter. Men and women present reacted with disdain for my action without bothering to find out why. Our society takes so much for granted on so ma ... read full comment
Man, thanks for writing. I went into a drugstore to buy sanitary pads for my daughter. Men and women present reacted with disdain for my action without bothering to find out why. Our society takes so much for granted on so many levels and false assumptions which get us in trouble, like the KKD case. Would he dare behave that way in the UK? By the way did anyone catch the pix of KKD and his attorney, pimps/players for court? Hmm! That SHOULD make an impression on the Court!!!!
Mr. Nigeria 9 years ago
It's pretty unhealthy for a man who is suppose to be a role model descend so low. The writer of this Article did not review the background of this little girl. I would love to know who the parents are before I pass my judgeme ... read full comment
It's pretty unhealthy for a man who is suppose to be a role model descend so low. The writer of this Article did not review the background of this little girl. I would love to know who the parents are before I pass my judgement. I'm also surprise how we see tenager of this generation. They hv the heart of an adult, they usually lure popular ppl into such Act. I think we should stop all this emotional propaganda and if there is need to go to court so be it. The case should be investigated to ensure one of this gold digger are not on it again. We should know we are all humans and we can sometimes fall to temptation; mostly sexual temptation. I personal does not like cheaters but then it's not easy to keep out of this desperate little girls that their parent can't control their mode of dressing. Just a food for thought.
I haven't followed the KKD matter much and don't really know the details (didn't even know who the guy was and thinking rape items are tabloid news) but Pryce's article makes me re-visit some of the issues surrounding rape in ...
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What have you hypocrite Ewe fool Pryce so far written about the Ewes who sleep with their own daughters?
Why do you have to run you dirty mouth about an Akan who turned around with his own girl friend?
Who brought the ...
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Who is this empty heard trying hard to be heard ? Daft duck, serious issues are being discussed here. Go somewhere and piss your tribal diatribes.
What has his tribe got to do with this? Pryce is one of the most balanced gentlemen in this forum
foolish , illiterate adjoa wangara!
Onye sormi ! you deserve to be stoned alive for painting with a broad brush everyone that comes from a single tribe.
The hard truth is your four fingerd point at your hypocritical self an ...
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@ Abu contraire, you are doing exactly what Ajoa Wangara did and even worse in your case bcos neither KKD or Ajoa Wangara is an Asante so why are you insulting Asantes? It is not only Ewes who comes from Volta Region there ...
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First, it is wrong for Au Contraire to extend his counter-insult of that jerk to Asantes in general even IF the jerk is proven to be an Asante. I have always cautioned Ewes in particular who respond to the insults hurled at E ...
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good piece
Mr Price, thanks for my article, as a criminologist I hope you could throw light on a few issues that bothers me. Since this case popped it's ugly head up, we have heard a lot about how older men are forcing themselves on ...
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what I find disturbing is you claim Mr Darkwah epitomizes the typical Ghanaian man. You are so wrong on different levels. The ideal hard working Ghanaian man is married and these girls see them as a meal ticket out of their m ...
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bush ghana man comes to yankee , meets beautiful yankee girl, he has no "macK" skills and expects that oonce he is in a one on one situation with her this means consent....wrong!
hope you guys have heard of ERIC FRIMPONG's c ...
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Au contrare you think living in America makes you civilised and a better than everyone else. There only one thing you managed to expose here, your stupidity and ignorance. Civilised people don't talk trash like you. Thank G ...
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It boils down to discipline, respect, responsibility and morality all combined into one. Whatever the merits (or de-merits) of this case, KKD (and other men like him who seem to get away with it) must surely have diminished h ...
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My dear Dr. Pryce, as usual, your essay is a delightful read. However, it does not offer any basis for your moral or legal conclusion about Ghanaian men. What is worse, it propounds a very flawed logical premise hitherto unkn ...
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Dr SAS,
I have been following this "sordid" case from the sideline with no intention to comment but I am breaking that resolve now. I find myself siding with your views.
I also think Dan has been over presumptuous with ...
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Dear Brothers,
Good day.
I think I have to go along with Andy and Dr. SAS on this one, at least based on the circumstantial outlook of the case. Others have also raised additional interesting issues with Dan's argument. ...
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Apart from the fact that Francis Kwarteng has written tales of nonsense without effectively contributing anything from his own opinion see the numerous common mistakes Kwarteng made:
1) "Suger" mammies --> Sugar
2) "mmales" ...
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Useless time waster! Just bugger off!
I read through his rejoinder without noticing a single one of those typos! Who has got time to read thru and correct typos off-the-cuff rejoinders in a social media like Ghanaweb?
H ...
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Dear folks,
Read this from Woody Allen, the famous director, musician, playwright, writer, and American:
"In 1991, when the relationship began, Allen was 56 and Previn around 19. Asked whether their age difference was c ...
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You guys are quoting examples from history to prove what? That it is ok for an elderly man to consort with a person who can be his daughter? Pryce is right that it is morally wrong for a man to do that. Pryce never said it wa ...
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Teacher,
Thank you for the clarity here. People like DR SAS, sometimes argue for the sake of argument simply because the they are informed about some silly legal precedents. The truth, a man who is not rapist under no ci ...
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Our customary laws were robust and set within our own moral values,until they changed everything to suit the white man"s alien legal system.In my AKAN part of the world,Mr Sarfo"s father was right to marry his 19 year old bri ...
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Omane, our customary laws do not frown on your 18 year old daughter marrying a 50 year old man whether the man is rich or not. Yes, we agree with your assessment.
But the question is, on a MORAL point of view, is it a gre ...
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I have always admired your comments.First,KKD is divorced.Second,are we going to legislate for an age limitation? You might find it morally repugnant but there is no society on earth which has banned that.Two adults can set t ...
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Thanks for asking a question which Teacher must now answer: By what "moral" yardstick is he seeking to judge the relationship between an older man and his younger consort?
I personally don't know anywhere in the world where ...
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We are all agreed that there are no laws against such age disparities in relationships. None of us is saying there should be a law against that. We are also agreed that society doesn't frown on such things. None of us is sayi ...
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Not too convincing but you have excelled yourself in being civil.Pryce was judgemental in his analysis.To humour you a bit...I have both male and female friends who brag about "cunnilingus and Fellatio" that makes me cringe m ...
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If the questions is morality, whose moral judgement are we apply to this issue?
It is culturally and morally abhorrent in most cultures besides that of some western countries to be a gay or lesbian. Equally most in the west ...
read full comment
If you start asking whose morality, you risk putting yourself in a situation where you can justify anything because it will coincide with someone's morality.
If you also say our society was this way but the white man came ...
read full comment
That is why in any argument dealing with morality,cultural,environmental, religious practices should be factored into it.
I am a strong proponent of cultural evolution in any society which does not want to go extinct.
How ...
read full comment
Just because your father at 49 married a 19 year old does not make it right. Seriously, what kind of conversation, activity or music etc., is common to couples with such an age gap? I believe any girl with self esteem and the ...
read full comment
That is why I am surprised that you have taken such a bogus case to cast a slur on Ghanaian men most of whom are very decent.....
Dr SAS, why must you be surprised? After all there is no law prohibiting him from drawing his ...
read full comment
Kwame! We never had the term bastard in the African culture until we adopted the western culture of one man one woman.
One who was born out of a culturally arraigned marriage before the down of Christianity was not called a ...
read full comment
nice piece.... one of the finest articles on the subject so far
I am sure majority of ghana women can attest to the huge lack of mack skills from a broad section of ghana men , not all.
This is a case not just of rape , but also lack of morals or ethics, indiscipline,
I am never foo ...
read full comment
Man, thanks for writing. I went into a drugstore to buy sanitary pads for my daughter. Men and women present reacted with disdain for my action without bothering to find out why. Our society takes so much for granted on so ma ...
read full comment
It's pretty unhealthy for a man who is suppose to be a role model descend so low. The writer of this Article did not review the background of this little girl. I would love to know who the parents are before I pass my judgeme ...
read full comment